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The Void pt 46

January 5th, 2010, 4:47 am

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Reply DHK1989, January 5th, 2010, 4:50 am

Now both hedgehogs reverted back to normal. Can they still hang with Ultimate X?

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User's Comments:

Reply Djoing, January 5th, 2010, 6:03 am

There's an obvious pattern here.

2 people are fighting then a third comes in and gets the upper hand.

Reply sega-tendo-com2.0, January 5th, 2010, 6:45 am

Arm Cannon fire! Shadow is out!


Reply Remainder, January 5th, 2010, 7:32 am

No fair.... Now the overpowered team mega can own all unless something unexpected happens (like one of the Mario brothers helping the hedgies take out X), Shadow(Or Sonic) will be the first to go....
No fair!
GO TEAM SONIC! Don't let anyone own you!

Reply Plazmaz, January 5th, 2010, 8:58 am

Oh snap!

Reply Ultimate the Hedgehog, January 5th, 2010, 11:05 am

GO SHADOW!!!!!!!!!

Reply Rage, January 5th, 2010, 11:24 am

In SMBZ, Shadow held Mecha Sonic for a good time.

I bet he can hold X for a long time, but he won't defeat him.

Reply Sonicwolf, January 5th, 2010, 11:44 am

Is it just me, or does Shadow seem kind mad? If he is, X is toast, ulitmate or not.

Reply Maowe, January 5th, 2010, 12:42 pm



Reply zamio, January 5th, 2010, 1:40 pm

My prediction:Luigi will have his revenge and smack x in the back and shadow will kick x to hell.

Reply Karadom, January 5th, 2010, 3:49 pm

i just dont have the feeling i did before i was caught up with the comic...its so repetitive and theroy is that DHK is doing this so that he has a reason to continue the fight

Reply Arc Impulse, January 5th, 2010, 3:53 pm

What I've been saying. Team megaman = cheap.
They ARE a tad out of league here. Now SAMUS is much more for them. Well maybe not Megaman, he's equal with them but X is beyond.
Sorry to say it, but X WAS made to be the ultimate destruction machine. So to all saying Shadow is the ultimate lifeform and can hold his, one ultimate VS another, normal vs suped up super version of a copy character(copy of Sonic whom X just pulverized), odds are very much in X's favor since Megaman's armor comes off, X's doesn't. Seriously, the whole game. Once X gets armor it's permanant!

Reply Phoenix of Chaos, January 5th, 2010, 4:14 pm

@Arc That's not a fair assumption to make. In Sonic Adventures 1 and 2, Sonic and Shadow gained abilities that they could use throughout the rest of the game, including in previous levels. Likewise, Paper Mario saw a gentle increase in the jump and hammer's capabilities in and out of battle. So X's advantage, while it is a little apparent, is no more an advantage than Sonic's Light Speed Attack, say.

Reply Hero of Comedy, January 5th, 2010, 5:28 pm

It's obvious Shadow will be the last one standing,
He can use Chaos control to warp the others far
enough away that they get disqualified for leaving.

Reply moon the weasel, January 5th, 2010, 5:48 pm

TEAM megaman=cheap
TEAM mario=gaypwnerz
TEAM sonic=EPICpwnzerz

Reply Loki Fenrisulf IV, January 5th, 2010, 7:01 pm

Arc Impulse, if I were to agree that X would win, I would hold the argument you made, X being ultimate weapon vs shadow ultimate lifeform, and would mention that shadow may also be considered a biological weapon but X can't be considered a lifeform until after ZX (when Reploids and humans are equals) or Legends (where humans are actually reproductive carbon-based robots). So, X is on advantage over shadow on the "ultimate" line.

Hero of Comedy, Luigi's hammer proved it is a cyclic battlefield, if he moves himself or the others far enough he will only get behind where he\they originally were on the other direction.

Now, I will comment about the three teams, on a way that I believe may be unbiased:

Team Megaman is the one one on advantage here, so I'll begin by it:
They are doing a good job, dealing with the opposite team that seems to them to be giving the most trouble first to get them out of the way (althoug I believe they may be underestimating team Mario and this may be their undoing). They are also using their own strong points - their weapons - when they think they are most needed, instead of unleashing them all at once insteado of wasting the energy in futile attacks. The move they did to trap Shadow also proves they are well-synchronized.
That said, it seems to someone who doesn't know the series that X is the real fighter of the team, with the stronger weapons, the most resistant armor - that isn't removed when energy gets low - and even a move on said armor that makes him temporarilly invulnerable (but, if no one noticed, leaves him immobile, thus vulnerable, for a split second after the use, at least in the game).
But no. As shown in MSPaint Masterpieces Rock can fight enemies far superior technologically (not official, but clear enough to show what he can do), so he could take X in a fight, even if with some trouble. So, it may not seem so, but Megaman and X are equals.

Team Sonic is only losing mostly because they are trying to beat the enemy on their own strong points.
Sonic and Shadow may not be as strong or resistant as them, but they are faster. Their main mistake on Super form was taking more advantage of the extra resistence instead of the extra speed. Sonic (on who Shadow was based and, theorically, improved) is able to fight Robotnic robots on par with Megaman and X taking advantage of his speed, dodging attacks and attacking the weakpoints, strategy proved right but something they were too confident on the super forms and ignored.

But my money is on the marios, if only just for they being consireded ignorable by the other teams thus the underdog. But they also have their strong points that put them in equal level with the others if properly used.
Team Mario is, as the name says, "the Mario" (check TvTropes). They are the balanced team, physically stronger than (un-super) team Sonic but weaker than team Megaman, faster than team Megaman but slower than team Sonic. Team Megaman's advantage is their strength and resistance, team Sonic's is their speed (even if it was unused due to them being obsessed on fighting punch-out while on super form), team Mario's is their precise moves, avoiding damage and hitting the enemy at exactly the right place at the right time. They also have their items, of which only a few were already used. the green mushrooms can make they even come back from death\uncounsciousness\wathever. The only ones properly exploited yet were the hammers, the starman (the rainbow starman is still around on the ground after being kicked, waiting to be used, and they may even still have more with them) and the plane. There's still the fireflowers, the shells (including the cursed blue ones), the cape, the cannon, the bomb-ombs... and they didn't even use their own powers, like mario's "3d", luigi's superjump... they even only used some of their smash bros abilities. and there's still Luigi's lightining powers and Mario's giant Super Mario form, that on Strikers makes him bigger more than twice Bowser's size. And in Galaxy there's the red starman that gives him flying powers. And there's also still the caps of Mario 64, like Flying Mario, Metal Mario, Shadow Mario...
I other words, they are still holding their game.
Which with them being subestimated and ignored, may prove to be the key to victory.

So, in my opinion, team Mario is the one with more chance to win. The others are going all-out between each others, team Sonic already wasting their transformation and losing all their wings (making another one impossible on this battle) and team Megaman is wasting all their weapons on them, including already losing megs' Rush Jet, and leaving team Mario free to watch and take notes on their weaknesses (like the already-mentioned immobility after X using his move, which Sonic couldn't take advantage of due to be fighting alone at the time and immobilized due to being hit with each time it was used). Meanwhile, team Mario used only a little of their resources, and almost all their attacks after losing the starman power were used on the wining side of the argument, prolonging their battle and weakening them. Mario proved he isn't unable to trick his enemies, answering he fears the weakest avaliable enemyan even a healing item when an enemy tried to trick him in telling them his weakpoints in ThousandYearsDoor and SuperPaperMario.

...Or maybe I'm seeing a little too much strategy there, it's also possible...

Reply Sonow, January 5th, 2010, 9:09 pm

Damn. that was an epic post, and I pleasantly read all of it. You make damned good points, and I have a hard time finding a whole in any of it. However, I must say megaman's and X's weapons are designed to take out full heavy metal machines, and does it well. What their shots would do to flesh, such as Mario's and the now-vulnerable team Sonic's, would be QUITE painful. Speedy as Team sonic is, and hardened as team Mario is, they still are flesh-based creatures, and even a simple uncharged shot would still lay holes in them.

Remember, sci-fi weapons, including Team Mega's, were built to be more effective then traditional gunpowder-based guns. If Mario and Sonic cant take a bullet, how will they take a dose of plasma?

Reply Acrosurge, January 5th, 2010, 9:12 pm

Hmm... Sure, it looks like team Mega Man has the advantage now, but we all know DHK's ability to throw in a sudden twist.

As for the evaluations of the teams put forth by Arc, Loki, and others; here's how I see it:

Team Sonic: They have a speed advantage over all the other fighters.

Team Mario: They have an advantage in luck and in wild card powers. You just never know what wacky power-up they'll pull next.

Team Mega Man: They have a huge advantage in physical strength, durability, versatility, but most importantly, firepower. They've also got better speed and reflexes than team Mario, but not as much as team Sonic.

As for Mega Man vs X, well, if you follow the series, you know that while Mega Man has heart, he's inferior to X in every way (strength, speed, durability, firepower, technology, strategy, judgment, emotional maturity, and combat experience). Mega Man's power, like his artificial age, is fixed. X's power is limitless and has been shown to multiply exponentially in the blink of an eye.

Reply supersilver 2005, January 6th, 2010, 4:08 am

why is team sonic the main focus? what about team mega or team mario.

Reply sega-tendo-com2.0, January 6th, 2010, 6:48 am

To Loki Fenrisulf IV: DAMN!

I've seen big comments in my time on tis site but your's beats the hell out of all of them!

Reply Storm2, January 6th, 2010, 8:49 am

team sonic to win
but i think x is going out

Reply edneo, January 6th, 2010, 3:53 pm

omg stupid sonic and shadow. Sonic has the ability to go hyper and dark, just like shadow. Sonic can use chaos control as well, but is too cocky because of his speed. Mario and Luigi should use fire flower and blast everyones 1@%$!# butt . Mega man should charge a big mean one.

Reply Loki Fenrisulf IV, January 6th, 2010, 5:41 pm

Good point, Sonow, but I believe it may turn out to be a disadvantage for team Megaman. In Bass's, Proto's or even Zero's hands this could be an advantage, but Megaman is unable to kill and X is a technical pacifist, so they would go out of their way to avoid doing letal damage. In fact, now that I think of it, their Super-caused invulnerability may be the actual reason they were going for team Sonic first, since they could dish out all they have.
This, thus, takes your question upside-down - if teams Sonic and Mario can't take a bullet, how can team Megaman expect them to take a full-force, even if non-charged, plasma shot? The answer I came with is - they don't. As you said, they have sci-fi tech, so they probably have the clich├ęd "stun setting", probably for ocasional crowd-control. Of course, any weapon able to stun someone in one shot is probably strong enough to kill someone less-resistant, so it will still take some shots to take someone down - or at least more shots to take team Mario than to take team Sonic. Considering Megaman plasma shots are slow compared to powder-powered weapons, as can be seen in the games themselves and was beautifully explained in TwoEvilScientists (and demonstated by Sonic outrunning a full-charge shot). Thus, the busters are not so strong and are also not so fast, a big disadvantage in this particular battle.
Most of the acquired weapons are also extremelly dangerous, thus most of them probably won't be used full-force for a direct shot (but, of course, they can always thing of an indirect way to use them).
So, your point is actually one big disadvantage for them now that no one on team Sonic is invulnerable. Luckily for them, their display of power may have been enough to psyche their opponents, giving them a psychological advantage to counterattack this - I mean, they shrugged off every attack and were sending strong ones left and right, on their opponents' point of view. I mean, if you hadn't pointed their "advantage" I wouldn't have noticed, it is possible their opponents don't even know they aren't willing to kill them. Thus, they'll avoid a direct confrontation, diminishing team Megaman's worries.

Acrosurge, as I said in my answer to Sonow, team Megaman may not have such a strength and firepower advantage as we may have led to believe.
However, even though it is not the point of the battle, I felt I should clarify my point about Megaman being able to take X:
Megaman, as you mentioned yourself, is inferior to X in many ways. However, I disagree that he is less experienced, since he has exactly the experience needed to battle X: he once battled enemies who had technological advantage. Not only he battled Quint from between 30 to 40 years in the future in Megaman2 for GB, but also many enemies based on the same technology in Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future for Wonderswan.
Not to mention, who can say how more advanced the Stardroids were?
X, however, is the opposite, at least at this point (he is clearly still from the X series). He may be from the future, but his opponents are based on his technology - the less advantage part of it but the AI. Every increase they get is based on his already examined tech. He is at this point a big Black Box, most of his technology is more advanced than everyone else's even if he may not have direct access to it. Thus, his opponents, even if apparently at advantage, they are actually either at the same level or lower than X.
Thus Megaman have fought enemies with huge technological advantage over him, but X haven't. He has more experience, if not on the battlefield, at disadvantage while on it.

supersilver, I suppose it was because they were on Super form and apparently at advantage. Now that they are weakened I expect the focus to go to the apparent powerhouse now, team Megaman. Or, more specifically, X and his armor.

Whoa, sorry guys, I never thought my last comment was going to be that big. Good thing everyone seems to have liked it.

Reply Grey_Wolf_Leader, January 6th, 2010, 8:03 pm

Another quick save by one of the heroes close buddies (or in this case, rivals).

Reply Ultimate the Hedgehog, January 6th, 2010, 8:48 pm

shit, team sonic wiil win
they're the best
there's not a single robot they haven't beat.
like emerl, he's a robot with a bit of similarities to megaman, and sonic still beat him. and we all know shadow is stronger than sonic, heck shadowis an unstoppable force. if shadow was able to beat treble bass (remember), almost had zero, so i think with sonic(who is also awsome) they can beat team megaman

as for team mario, well, i think sonic and shadow can take them

Reply Sonow, January 6th, 2010, 8:53 pm

Another epic post! XD

And this time, I have nothing to come back with... good show, mate. Good show. XD

Reply Acrosurge, January 7th, 2010, 7:35 pm

I like this guy, Loki Fenrisulf IV... I feel that I should clarify my points as juxtaposed with yours. :)

1) While Mega Man has fought enemies from the future, he has never fought enemies matching the power of X's foes. Remember, X was Dr. Light's last and greatest achievement. And though reploids have remnants of X's emotional technology, their weaponry is at least a century more advanced than Mega Man's era, and over 50 years more advanced than Quint (or CftF, which is NOT canon, BTW).

2) Most of X's foes consider him to be obsolete. Their technology is superior, and the plot often states that their power is as well. At first. But, X is stated to have limitless potential and when in battle, he can draw out more of his innate power until eventually, he can overpower any foe. This is an ability that Mega Man cannot match.

3) Mega Man's technology and X's are not equivalent. As just one example, Mega Man's Mega Buster is a Mark I model (or Mark IV at the very most). X's Buster is a Mark XVII. For another example, X's basic armor is constructed of Titanium X alloy, completely neutralizing 93% of damage done to him. Mega Man's Ceramic Titanium armor does not compete with that figure.

4) Mega Man has the emotional mentality of a ten year old. This is stated in the plot. By X6, X has the emotional mentality of an adult. He's also led units of Hunters into battle for many years. He has strategic leadership qualities that Mega Man lacks.

Reply jakeroo123, April 23rd, 2011, 7:45 pm

Luigi keeps missing his chance to use Thunderhand...

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